Thursday, July 22, 2010

Re: The JewishGen Family Finder: Kuttner from Hungary

My Kuttner family (my father's mother's family) is from the town of Bonyhad in Hungary. The chronicles of the town of Bonyhad during the Holocaust era was written in a book published by Leslie Blau under the title "Bonyhad: A Destroyed Community" in both English and Hungarian (a Hebrew edition will be forthcoming, I'm helping with the project), Google it, if you will. The Kuttner family is discussed at great length in that work, but none of the names match up with your names...
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Reuven Chaim Klein
Genealogical Researcher
JewishGen ID #106665


--- On Tue, 7/6/10, David Hatam <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

> From: David Hatam <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org>
> Subject: The JewishGen Family Finder: Kuttner from Hungary
> To: rachack@futurecities.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:37 AM
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> - From : David Hatam, (researcher code 40910) dedih@walla.co.il
> - To : Reuven Chaim Klein, (researcher code 106665)
> - Subject : The JewishGen Family Finder: Kuttner from
> Hungary
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> Hello,
> I research my family from Hungary and I found a connection
> between the Kuttner family from Hungary and my family. I
> wonder if it is the same family as yours.
> Bleicher Roza (1840-1930) was married to Kuttner Lipot
> (1841-1918). They lived in Tapolca and moved at some point
> to Budapest. They had at least three children: 1. Miklos (b.
> 1882), who changed his last name to Koltai. He was married
> to my relative and I'm looking for their descendants, if
> they had. 2. Kuttner Matild. 3. Kuttner Ernesztin.
> Is there any connection? If you don't know, can you please
> ask someone who might know?
> Best regards,
> David Hatam
> Israel
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Re: The JewishGen Family Finder:

Sorry for taking so long. After reading your epic, I concluded that I have nothing to help you with. Sorry.
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Reuven Chaim Klein
Genealogical Researcher
JewishGen ID #106665


--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Monica McMullin <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

> From: Monica McMullin <JGJGFF@lyris.jewishgen.org>
> Subject: The JewishGen Family Finder:
> To: rachack@futurecities.com
> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 5:08 PM
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> - From : Monica McMullin, (researcher code 373351) monicamcmullin@mac.com
> - To : Reuven Chaim Klein, (researcher code 106665)
> - Subject : The JewishGen Family Finder:
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> Hello,
>
> I am doing a blanket email in an attempt to trace my
> grandfather's roots, who is a mystery to my family.  I
> am providing a great deal of info in the hope something will
> ring a bell to somebody, somewhere.  I have done a
> great deal of research & I am working with other
> researchers who have connections to some of the people in
> the info provided below.  I will be delighted to hear
> from anyone who sees a connection or who can
> help/advise.  The area connecting these families seems
> to be KOVNO.   I apologise if I've contacted
> you before.
>
> My grandfather's name was Louis/Lewis (Yahuda - Aryé -
> Leib)  FRIEDMAN.  The family name evolved over the
> years to FREEDMAN and is now FREEMAN.  My grandfather
> (Louis)  first appears in Leeds, Yorkshire, England in
> April 1890, when he marries his first wife, Russian born
> Rachel nee SIMON.  His age on the marriage certificate
> and marriage authorisation certificate is 22 years, so birth
> year was about 1868.  The marriage records give his
> father as Tobias (Tobiah) FRIEDMAN.  Both father and
> son were - Hawkers...  His place of origin is given as
> Germany, but no town/village is given.  However, family
> say he came from Lithuania or Poland, so I'm keeping an open
> mind about his place of origin. 
>
>    My grandfather moved to Liverpool about
> 1892/3.  He was married and widowed three times and
> died in Liverpool in 1949. 
>    The names of his children to Rachel nee
> SIMON were:-
> 1.  Daniel (Gedaliah, Dal, Darley, Dave) born Leeds
> 1891.
> 2. Hyman (Chaim, Harry) born Liverpool 1893
> 3. Nellie (Helen, Lillian) born Liverpool 1894
> 4. Samuel born Liverpool 1896
> 5. Elias, Eli born Liverpool 1898
> 6. Isaac born Liverpool 1900
>
>    Rachel nee SIMON died in 1904 aged
> 40. 
>    My grandfather married his 2nd wife (my
> grandmother) Russian born Rebecca nee COHEN and formerly
> COHEN. No records found for this 2nd marriage.
>
>    The names of his children to Rebecca
> COHEN were:-
> 7. Teri (Edward, Teddy) born Liverpool 1905
> 8. Jacob born ? (confusion about age at death, no birth
> found) died December 1907.
> 9. Harry, Henry born Liverpool 1907 (My father)
>
>    Rebecca COHEN died in 1911 aged 36,
> nothing is known about her life, but we suspect she had at
> least one child to her first husband (Unknown COHEN)
>
> 10. Abraham FREEDMAN appears for the first time on the
> Liverpool 1911 census born in Russia about 1898. 
> Nothing more known about Abraham. I suspect 
>     Abraham was actually Rebecca's son to first
> marriage.
>
>    My grandfather married his 3rd wife,
> Russian born Rosa nee GREENBLATT formerly
> YANKELOVITCH.  (No marriage records found)
>    He had one daughter with Rosa
> GREENBLATT:-
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> 11. Eva, born Liverpool 1914.
>     Rosa nee GREENBLATT died in 1932 and my
> grandfather died in 1949.
>
>    I have not found any aunts, uncles,
> brothers, sisters or parents in the UK for my
> grandfather. 
>    But, I have found a few possibilities in
> Dublin, Ireland and I'm hoping some of the following
> information might ring some bells with another
> researcher. 
>
> I found a Tobias FREEDMAN who died in Dublin, Ireland on -
> 29th April 1902 aged 72 years, so born about 1830.
> Occupation: Traveller.  The address on his death
> certificate gives his address as - 2, Emorville Square,
> Dublin.  The Dublin 1901 census throws some confusion
> into this information, as the census for this address gives
> a Julius or Julia (Male) living at this address.  Both
> from Russia.  The handwriting is hard to decipher and
> could be mis-transcribed as the name looks like Tobias or
> Tubia, but the age on the census is 65 - not 72.  This
> Julius or Tobias, is living with 64 year-old Faiga Freedman,
> they are married and living as boarders with the MASLINSKY
> family at 2, Emorville Square.  I have not found Faiga
> or Julius FREEDMAN on the 1911 census and I have not found
> their deaths - only the death of Tobias in 1902.
>
> Also, in Dublin are 2 more FREEDMAN families, who I feel
> could be connected to each other and also to Faiga and
> Tobias/Julius FREEDMAN of Emorville Square.
>
> Family Nº 1.  are two Brothers...  Aaron, Marcus
> FREEDMAN   &    Israel, Wolf
> FREEDMAN & their parents:-
> Aaron, Marcus FREEDMAN was born in - Weksna/Meksna,
> KOVNO.  20th May 1872.
> Aaron, Marcus address from March 1901 to June 1902 was: 5,
> Lombard St West (Date of Naturalisation File - June 1902)
> Married to wife Ada FREEDMAN info off 1901 census - 2
> children:   
> Tobias FREEDMAN aged 2      (on 1901
> census) 
> Flora, Gerta FREEDMAN aged 6 mths  "
> This 2 year-old Tobias/Toby FREEDMAN went to South
> Africa.   I am in contact and researching
> with a descendant of this family.
> Occupation of Aaron, Marcus FREEDMAN:  Draper
> Aaron, Marcus's Brother:- Israel, Wolf FREEDMAN was born
> 19th March 1880. (Date of Nat file. Nov 1902) 
> Israel is Not Married at this time.  Occupation:
> Draper.
> The Parents of these 2 brothers are:- Daniel FREEDMAN and
> Libe FREEDMAN, both Russian. 
>
> Family Nº 2.  Info from Nat Records:-
> Isaac FREEDMAN, born 10th March 1854 in Smeksna, KOVNO,
> Russia. (Date of Nat File 1892)
> Isaac address (From Mar 1891 to Apr 1892) at: 37, Lombard
> St West, Dublin 
> (same street & same time as "Aaron, Marcus FREEDMAN"
> Lived there)
> Isaac's Parents are - Tobias and Fege FREEDMAN  - both
> of  Russian Nationality.
> I am also in contact and researching with a descendant of
> family Nº 2.
>
> We feel strongly that there will be a link with family Nº
> 1 & family Nº 2 & also to the Tobias/Julius &
> Faiga FREEDMAN
> who lived at 2, Emorville Square, which was very close to
> Lombard Street, in Dublin. 
> I am hoping that Tobias & Faiga FREEDMAN are the
> parents of family Nº2 (Fege & Tobias FREEDMAN)
> I am also hoping that this Tobias FREEDMAN who died in
> 1902, is the father of my grandfather.
>
> That's the Dublin FREEDMAN'S finished with, now we're going
> to Leeds, Yorkshire.
>
> When my grandfather married his first wife in Leeds, they
> had two witnesses at their wedding. 
> Morris ROSENBERG and Morris COHEN.  I feel that there
> could be a connection to at least one of these witnesses.
> Morris ROSENBERG is the more likely connection as my
> grandfather lived with this ROSENBERG family after he
> married Rachel in 1890.
> They lived at - 37, Back Byron Street, Leeds, Yorkshire and
> were living there on the 1891 Leeds census.
> Also, many of my grandfather's children's names are the
> same names as the
> ROSENBERG children's names.  This is the info I know
> of the marriage witnesses.
>
> 1894 - Naturalisation Records for Morris ROSENBERG
> Address in 1894 - 56, Templar St, Leeds
> Morris ROSENBERG Born  5th Nov 1857,  born
> Chotel, Guberny, KOVNO.
> Morris ROSENBERG'S wife is Rebecca Rosenberg (nee TAYLOR)
> Morris ROSENBERG'S  Parents -  Louis and Rebecca
> ROSENBERG, both Russian
> Morris was aged 36 when naturalised in 1894
> Occupation:  milk seller, married, 7 children
> Darley, 10
> Hannah, 9
> Wolfe, 7             
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> Rachel, 3 months
> Children all born in Leeds.
>
> The place of KOVNO seems to link these families together.
>
> The 2nd witness at my grandfather's wedding was Morris
> COHEN.  This COHEN family lived next door to my
> grandfather
> before he married Rachel SIMON and moved into 37, Back
> Byron Street with the ROSENBERG family.
>
> Morris COHEN lived at 50, Copenhagen Street, Leeds on the
> 1891 census. 
> My grandfather lived at 52, Copenhagen St before he married
> Rachel SIMON.
>
> This is what I know of the COHEN family:-
>
> Morris COHEN was the only person who was able to sign his
> name on Louis & Rachel FRIEDMAN'S MC.
> Morris COHEN'S Civil Marriage Cert tells us that he married
> Becca BROMBERG on 27th Nov 1885.
> Morris & Becca were both then 21 years old. Morris was
> a tailor.
> Their address was then - 12, Templar Street, Leeds.
> Morris COHEN'S father was Harris COHEN also a tailor.
> Becca's father was Aaron BROMBERG a Pedlar.
> Their children according to the 1901 census were:-
> Philip son 14 yrs drapers hawker Leeds
> Hyman son 12 yrs Leeds
> Israel son 11 yrs Leeds
> Pinkie son 9 yrs Leeds
> Polly daughter 7 yrs Leeds
> Celia daughter 5 yrs Leeds
> Harris son 3 yrs Leeds
>
> Info from Morris COHEN'S M.A Cert gives their religious
> names.
> Morris (Moshe) COHEN'S  Father:   Zvi
> H'COHEN
> Becca (Rifka) daughter of Aaron
>
> Place of origin is given as on MC/MA is Germany, no
> town/village given. Altho, later censuses say
> Russia/Poland.
> Morris COHEN'S signature matches that of Morris COHEN who
> signed the MC of Louis & Rachel FRIEDMAN.
> His wife Becca nee BROMBERG was also able to sign her
> name.  No Nat Records found for Morris COHEN.
>
> Thank you for reading this epic!
>
> Monica McMullin
> Liverpool UK
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